Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Glory
I wasn't sure where to put this, because this might be more of a topic about wikipedia. I refer to wikipedia every once in awhile, but I would take it with a grain of salt. I would use Ronald Reagan's line, "Trust, but verify."
One thing that struck me here is that some of the descriptions sound like they were written by a high schooler.
The other thing is that I disagree with some of the stuff on here.
Describing Trip, "In the end, Thomas is about to fall because of a wound in an earlier battle and Trip catches him."
I don't think he was about to fall because of his wound. I got the impression that he was emotionally strained because he knew that there was a good chance he'd be killed or wounded while making this impossible charge.
In one scene where they are marching through the camp after their battle on James Island, The Bonnie Blue Flag, a Southern folk song, can be heard being played by a Northern band.
Yes, the tune is the one used for Bonnie Blue Flag and a northern band would probably not be likely to play it, but the tune preceded BBF and it wouldn't be a large stretch that the tune could still be played by a northern band. The tune was "The Irish Jaunting Car."
(I've found a good many entries in Wikipedia need to be taken with a lot more than just a grain of salt.)
Regarding The Bonnie Blue Flag, you're correct that the tune was "borrowed" from The Irish Jaunting Car. Its had several sets of lyrics put to it over the years, including some during the Civil War. The Irish Volunteer immediately comes to mind and the tune is currently used as Georgia Tech's fight song. _________________ Mike Nugent
De l'audace, encore de l'audace, et toujours de l'audace!
and the tune is currently used as Georgia Tech's fight song.
Really? No politically correct complaints yet? I wonder if too many people know what words were put to that song at one time.
I imagine there would be more fuss and bother. I also wonder if all those guys, who wear their pants hanging below their hips with the boxers showing, would keep wearing them that way if they knew what that means in prison life. _________________ "Let us have faith that right makes might..."
- Abraham Lincoln
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject:
Actually 'Trust but verify' is not exactly a Ronal Reagan's line. He himself 'borrowed' it during his warming-up relationship with Gorbachev and stated so in one of his speeches. It is, indeed, an old Russian proverb
Dover'iay no prover'iay _________________ I Remain
Your Ob't Servant
Time sets all things right. Error lives but a day. Truth is eternal.
A Great Civilization is not Conquered from Without until It has Destroyed Itself from Within
Most people talk more about what the movie got WRONG, but I like to add in what the movie got RIGHT. I think it got the big stuff right. Someone complained about the watermelon scene, saying that they wouldn't have watermelons in New England at that time of year. IMO, that's one of those insignificant complaints like a reenactor who's got a button out of place or not wearing their kepi correctly.
Darien, GA did happen, roughly how they portrayed it too. Colonel Montgomery was an abolitionist. Not sure if he "grew up with slaves" as his actor mentioned in the movie.
There was the skirmish right before the attack on Battery Wagner.
The line, "If this man falls, who will pick up the flag and carry on", was uttered, just not by Shaw. It was said by Gen. Strong. Given that they had the info, not sure why they didn't use it.
Shaw fought at and was injured at Antietam.
I get mixed signals about the make-up of the 54th. Some people say it was made up of all Free men. Some say there were a few slaves. Most agree that Governor Andrews wanted the best of the best. Not sure what "free" means anyway. That doesn't leave out that some weren't slaves at one time. Obviously everyone was free AT THAT TIME, otherwise they couldn't have joined the 54th.
The proclamation from the Confederacy about the "servile insurrection" and that anyone captured, including the white officers, was liable to be punished with death was true.
I'm not sure that Shaw or the 54th volunteered to be the first ones in for the attack on the fort.
Shaw's body was thrown into the burial pit with members of the 54th. Although he apparently had been stripped. (Glad they didn't show that.)
The fort was never taken, as the film suggests, although the Union eventually took it after it was abadoned. _________________ "Let us have faith that right makes might..."
- Abraham Lincoln
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