One more thing.. I love Gettysburg.. Dont get me wrong. Butttt the politics and getting cold in essence a carpet bagger, I have gotten tired of it all. It has left a bad taste in my mouth. Period. And for me to say that, you know how frustrated I must be. I might be down there ohhhhh 2 times this year. At the most. Butttt enough of the politics. If they want some outside the box thinking they know where to find me..
Sorry I am all over the place.. But you tell this has all struck a raw nerve with me.
JIM
Well, I wouldn't let a few detract from the experience. Remember that most people who put something down in writing usually only do so because they want to complain. Think of the silent majority in Gettysburg who are a lot more content.
It does sound like maybe the town could use some new leadership....those that can help maximize revenue. _________________ "Let us have faith that right makes might..."
- Abraham Lincoln
I would also add the following (which I posted at Gettysburg Times.)
BTW, I'll bet my entire savings account that those crying about "outsiders" telling you how to run your town and township don't say didley poo when you happen to agree with them. If you're pro-casino, I seriously doubt that you'd complain about some out of stater harping on the benefits of a casino.
Basically, they don't like outsiders "telling them what to do" if they do NOT like your message. (As if any of us here could even really tell them what to do or force them to do anything.)
The Civil War Trust ONLY protects land from WILLING sellers. If the townsfolk didn't want the golf course being sold to someone that isn't going to develop the land, maybe someone there should have stepped up. (or if that wasn't possible, they should be mad at the SELLER of the property.) I wonder if they consider investors, who own property in Gettysburg, but don't actually live there, as outsiders or not. _________________ "Let us have faith that right makes might..."
- Abraham Lincoln
Joined: Feb 17, 2004 Posts: 357 Location: Gettysburg
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject:
Jim, you and I have had this discussion before and you seemed like then you understood what I had said. Now it sounds like you have gone off the "deep-end" regarding (us and them). What is at issue here right now in this current theme is tax revenues lost by Cumberland Twp, and Gettysburg School District, not the boro (which if you stay at Larson's, the boro gets a cut from them).
Jim, you and I have had this discussion before and you seemed like then you understood what I had said. Now it sounds like you have gone off the "deep-end" regarding (us and them). What is at issue here right now in this current theme is tax revenues lost by Cumberland Twp, and Gettysburg School District, not the boro (which if you stay at Larson's, the boro gets a cut from them).
If I could chime in. (Hopefully I don't sound like I think I know everything...because obviously I don't. )
We're debating in Indiana about whether or not to eliminate townships. I think I would because it just seems to add one more layer of gov't that's unnecessary, wasteful, and problematic. _________________ "Let us have faith that right makes might..."
- Abraham Lincoln
Joined: Feb 17, 2004 Posts: 357 Location: Gettysburg
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject:
corydon wrote:
BobHall wrote:
No use trying to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced.
I'm glad that I don't live in Cumberland Twp anymore. This of course is not the only reason though.
So goes the town, so basically goes the battlefield. I know there's got to be some balance in a "living" town. At the same time, I will almost always favor preservation over development. I'm not sure how much tax revenue that country club golf course was bringing in. I only know that it closed up for some reason. Usually when a business closes down it's because it's not doing so well.
(BTW, why is it closed up and closed down mean basically the same thing?)
You would know more than I would, but as an "outsider" I see almost a perfect balance when I'm in town...lot's of tourists and stuff going on everywhere, but no so many that it's too difficult to get around.
I do want you and your town to thrive...while at the same time working within the constraints of a growing and somewhat restrictive battlefield.
Chris
Ah, the inconsistencies of the American version of the English language. As for tax liabilities, I remember when it was first having troubles, I saw what it had to pay. Now, I can't find those figures and I checked the Gettysburg times archives as well. The reason for the closing was major mis-management from what I gather coupled with a huge loan they really shouldn't have taken out. Scuttlebutt was some of the higher-ups in the club were transplants to the area, outsiders if you will (sorry Jim), who came in said "this needed to be done, that needed to be done, and this is how we'll do it because you don't know any better and this is how we did it back home." Like I said, scuttlebutt....I don't golf. I can't afford to keep on replacing clubs after I bend them around a tree.
I wished I had wrapped my clubs around some trees well before I figured out that the game was getting too expensive to play. I haven't played since 2004. _________________ "Let us have faith that right makes might..."
- Abraham Lincoln
Joined: Feb 17, 2004 Posts: 357 Location: Gettysburg
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject:
corydon wrote:
BobHall wrote:
Jim, you and I have had this discussion before and you seemed like then you understood what I had said. Now it sounds like you have gone off the "deep-end" regarding (us and them). What is at issue here right now in this current theme is tax revenues lost by Cumberland Twp, and Gettysburg School District, not the boro (which if you stay at Larson's, the boro gets a cut from them).
If I could chime in. (Hopefully I don't sound like I think I know everything...because obviously I don't. )
We're debating in Indiana about whether or not to eliminate townships. I think I would because it just seems to add one more layer of gov't that's unnecessary, wasteful, and problematic.
I agree. The development that I live in is divided by 3 townships. It's sadly amusing to read about the HOA (another bunch of idiots) butt heads with the 3 Township supervisors. Cumberland Twp though has a fairly large police force which is vitally needed in the area. Their force lends considerable support to neighboring townships and will back up the boro police when requested (which I hear is more than it should be). Eliminating the townships is definitely going to cause a quagmire regarding law enforcement. The PA state police coverage is a joke in this county.
Joined: Oct 26, 2005 Posts: 505 Location: Gettysburg, PA
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject:
corydon wrote:
And of course some locals are grousing about losing tax income on the land. Someone will really have to convince me that all the money coming in from tourism and hotel/motel taxes doesn't put the township in a better position than most townships.
Chris,
The total revenue Cumberland Township receives from "tourism" and "hotel/motel" taxes is, at best, minuscule. Perhaps less than 10% of their entire budget.
The "admission taxes", account 0310-610, is the Township's share of the 10% admission tax paid to enter "amusements". Two biggies are Bike Week and the reenactment. I think they may get it from admission to the VC - but I am unsure.
Account 357-530 is the Township's share of the "Pillow Tax". A whopping $5,000 per year. The bulk of those funds go to the Gettysburg Convention and visitor's Bureau.
We can debate where "all the money" from tourism goes in our area, but Pennsylvania's archaic tax structure does not permit anywhere near as direct a correlation between a visitor coming to Gettysburg, dropping $500 or a $1,000, and any revenue to the local government coffers as many would assume.
Just my .02
Phil _________________ "Hey, does anyone know where the Gettysburg to Littlestown railroad goes?"
Joined: Oct 26, 2005 Posts: 505 Location: Gettysburg, PA
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:54 am Post subject:
StanPetestreet wrote:
You guys should seriously be considering taxing & splitting the fiscal revenue coffer taxpayer profits on the Gettysburg/Littlestown RR.
We've already considered that, but none of us could figure out where it went. _________________ "Hey, does anyone know where the Gettysburg to Littlestown railroad goes?"
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