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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: Source for "Lee Not An Ape" Movie Dialogue?? Reply with quote

Gang;

Last week at the February meeting of my CWRT, I won a book in the book raffle. My choice was a paperback edition of the volume by Rev. J. William Jones, D.D. titled "Personal Reminiscences of General Robert E. Lee."

Some caveats about the book etc:

1. The way Lee is portrayed is most definnitely "THE Marble Man";
2. Jones was one of the leading founders of the "Lost Cause" mythos;
3. IIRC, Jones also was very instrumental in the formation of The Southern Historical Society (second organization with Jubal Early).

Now, with those caveats in mind.... I think I might possibly have found THE source for the famed dialogue in THE MOVIE where Pickett and company are discussing Darwin's Evolution Theory and, in the course of the dialogue, it is said that R E Lee is most certainly not descended from an ape.

Here is the possible source (Personal Reminiscences, Chapter IX, pg. 292 paperback edition published by Tor Press):

"One night some soldiers were overheard discussing the tenets of atheism around their campfire, when a rough, honest fellow cut short the discussion by saying: 'Well, boys, the rest of us may have been developed from monkeys; but I tell you none less than a God could have made such a man as "Marse Robert!' " (Italicized portion of quote so done in the book cited)

What do y'all think????


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Major,

I do remember reading that some and no it was not in G & G or Killer Angels. or LFM..

Maybe in Lees LTs?

But do so.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GKWEAGLE1 wrote:

Major,

I do remember reading that some and no it was not in G & G or Killer Angels. or LFM..

Maybe in Lees LTs?

But do so.
JIM


Jim;

I did not mean the quote exactly but that the quote possibly inspiring that famous bit of dialogue around the campfire when Pickett, Armistead, Kemper and company are discussing their possible development from monkeys.. in THE MOVIE!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I do believe the quote exists in THE BOOK, thus the passage you're alluding to would "inspire" THAT (Da Movie only picks after The Book)

But that is indeed an interesting tidbit of a lore you found.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Actually, I found it, in Ken Burns series. So it must be the Lords Truth.. And through a pickett line.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you forgot "Hazardous, too"
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James_Longstreet wrote:
Well I do believe the quote exists in THE BOOK, thus the passage you're alluding to would "inspire" THAT (Da Movie only picks after The Book)

But that is indeed an interesting tidbit of a lore you found.


Gen'l:

Well, you got me thinking... so I went and grabbed my own copy of Killer Angels and found thus in Wednesday: July 1, 1863 - The First Day, Chapter 5:

"Well, we were talking on that. Finally agreed that Dawin was probably right. Then one fella said, with great dignity he said, 'Well, aybe you are come from an ape, and maybe I am come from an ape, but General Lee, he didn't come from no ape.' "


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CONGRATULATIONS!

Next on your lists of Discovery - AMERICA!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

General,

I think the quote from Killer Angels shows that Shaara elder was probably aware of this story and possibly from this same source.

It IS interesting, though, how fairly close the two are in wording!


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