Joined: Nov 26, 2004 Posts: 628 Location: Lovely riverside town in NJ along Delaware River
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:16 am Post subject: Source for "Lee Not An Ape" Movie Dialogue??
Gang;
Last week at the February meeting of my CWRT, I won a book in the book raffle. My choice was a paperback edition of the volume by Rev. J. William Jones, D.D. titled "Personal Reminiscences of General Robert E. Lee."
Some caveats about the book etc:
1. The way Lee is portrayed is most definnitely "THE Marble Man";
2. Jones was one of the leading founders of the "Lost Cause" mythos;
3. IIRC, Jones also was very instrumental in the formation of The Southern Historical Society (second organization with Jubal Early).
Now, with those caveats in mind.... I think I might possibly have found THE source for the famed dialogue in THE MOVIE where Pickett and company are discussing Darwin's Evolution Theory and, in the course of the dialogue, it is said that R E Lee is most certainly not descended from an ape.
Here is the possible source (Personal Reminiscences, Chapter IX, pg. 292 paperback edition published by Tor Press):
"One night some soldiers were overheard discussing the tenets of atheism around their campfire, when a rough, honest fellow cut short the discussion by saying: 'Well, boys, the rest of us may have been developed from monkeys; but I tell you none less than a God could have made such a man as "Marse Robert!' " (Italicized portion of quote so done in the book cited)
What do y'all think????
_________________ Your Humble Servant,
Jno. Walter Fairfax,
Asst. Adj. & Insp. General,
I (Longstreet's) Corps,
Army of No. Va.
"This is a hard fight, and we had better all die than lose it."
-- Genl. Longstreet to Genl. Pryor, September 17, 1862
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:22 am Post subject:
Major,
I do remember reading that some and no it was not in G & G or Killer Angels. or LFM..
Maybe in Lees LTs?
But do so.
JIM _________________ "The Flag, THE FLAG, Oh THE FLAG! G.K. Warrens last words on his death bed, August 8,1882
There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell. W.T. Sherman
Joined: Nov 26, 2004 Posts: 628 Location: Lovely riverside town in NJ along Delaware River
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:31 am Post subject:
GKWEAGLE1 wrote:
Major,
I do remember reading that some and no it was not in G & G or Killer Angels. or LFM..
Maybe in Lees LTs?
But do so.
JIM
Jim;
I did not mean the quote exactly but that the quote possibly inspiring that famous bit of dialogue around the campfire when Pickett, Armistead, Kemper and company are discussing their possible development from monkeys.. in THE MOVIE!!!
_________________ Your Humble Servant,
Jno. Walter Fairfax,
Asst. Adj. & Insp. General,
I (Longstreet's) Corps,
Army of No. Va.
"This is a hard fight, and we had better all die than lose it."
-- Genl. Longstreet to Genl. Pryor, September 17, 1862
Joined: Mar 04, 2004 Posts: 4926 Location: Suburb of Philadelphia
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject:
Well I do believe the quote exists in THE BOOK, thus the passage you're alluding to would "inspire" THAT (Da Movie only picks after The Book)
But that is indeed an interesting tidbit of a lore you found. _________________ I Remain
Your Ob't Servant
Allan
Time sets all things right. Error lives but a day. Truth is eternal.
A Great Civilization is not Conquered from Without until It has Destroyed Itself from Within
Joined: Feb 10, 2004 Posts: 2654 Location: I am here aint I?
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject:
Actually, I found it, in Ken Burns series. So it must be the Lords Truth.. And through a pickett line.
JIM _________________ "The Flag, THE FLAG, Oh THE FLAG! G.K. Warrens last words on his death bed, August 8,1882
There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell. W.T. Sherman
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject:
you forgot "Hazardous, too" _________________ I Remain
Your Ob't Servant
Allan
Time sets all things right. Error lives but a day. Truth is eternal.
A Great Civilization is not Conquered from Without until It has Destroyed Itself from Within
Joined: Nov 26, 2004 Posts: 628 Location: Lovely riverside town in NJ along Delaware River
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject:
James_Longstreet wrote:
Well I do believe the quote exists in THE BOOK, thus the passage you're alluding to would "inspire" THAT (Da Movie only picks after The Book)
But that is indeed an interesting tidbit of a lore you found.
Gen'l:
Well, you got me thinking... so I went and grabbed my own copy of Killer Angels and found thus in Wednesday: July 1, 1863 - The First Day, Chapter 5:
"Well, we were talking on that. Finally agreed that Dawin was probably right. Then one fella said, with great dignity he said, 'Well, aybe you are come from an ape, and maybe I am come from an ape, but General Lee, he didn't come from no ape.' "
_________________ Your Humble Servant,
Jno. Walter Fairfax,
Asst. Adj. & Insp. General,
I (Longstreet's) Corps,
Army of No. Va.
"This is a hard fight, and we had better all die than lose it."
-- Genl. Longstreet to Genl. Pryor, September 17, 1862
Joined: Mar 04, 2004 Posts: 4926 Location: Suburb of Philadelphia
Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject:
CONGRATULATIONS!
Next on your lists of Discovery - AMERICA! _________________ I Remain
Your Ob't Servant
Allan
Time sets all things right. Error lives but a day. Truth is eternal.
A Great Civilization is not Conquered from Without until It has Destroyed Itself from Within
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