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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Prussian soldier...That would be Heros Von Borke.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Prussian soldier...That would be Heros Von Borke.

Regards from the Garden State,

Steve


Yep. Thanks.
I looked it up when I got home and he's pictured in the film's photographic companion book.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched the 2nd part and have a lot more notes in case anyone wants to hear them. Rick?

I will post a couple quick notes since this may please some of you. Some of the scenes have actually been cut down. The "Silent Night" scene in the Corbin house? It's still there, but slightly shorter. No longer do we see the choice in tunes made.

The scene with the slave, Martha, and Gen. Hancock is not as long.
And, unless I missed it, we don't see Jackson praying to the heavens right before 1st Manassas. I had little issue with most of those scenes, but for the good of the many, it was probably a good decision to shorten them. Although I would have cut out the scene between Stonewall and Jim Lewis at the Chancellor House entirely or nearly entirely.

And not to spoil it, we see JW Booth backstage with someone of note.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


OK... I have the special edition on DVD...
The good...
Cleaned up sound. Its sharper and isnt as muffled or distorted as it was in the shorter version.
The photography is just spectacular. I mean they did a great job when they filmed this piece.
The acting is not as bad at least it seems that way.. Though like Basecat, I still could do with out the two guys meeting at mid stream.. HUH?
Chancelorsville is even better.. THough no animals running out of the trees in front of the confederates as noted in every thing I have read. One does get the sense of fight or flight.. And the stand of the troops rallying around Couch is great. Watching a one armed Howard trying to grab men as they run by gave me a learch. or wtf..
Booths interejecting into the plot line fits.. They have him quoting from I think its Hamlet, as the camera scans over the carnage from Antietam.
Antietam is in the movie. But not like we all would have wanted it. It basically centers around the fighting in the cornfield. No mention of the Sunken road or dunkers church.. Which I found odd since Jacksons whole part in the battle was around the church.

The bad....
Antietam sequence. As I aluded to it.
It still seems preachy.. Like we are having this alternative viewpoint shoved down our throats. I found that annoying.
Daryl as Hill just doesnt come off..

Highlights... When Jackson has just come from seeing Gregg, he spins on his heals.. Kill them Kill them all,, with all the fire and intensity. Those killer blue eyes flashing.. That was spot on..
The whole part where the survivors of the fighting on Maryes Heights still is so sobering. And the directors let the scene speak for itself.. Nice job.

The biggest problem is that the movie is trying to hard. To cover too much and the plot lines there are at least 3 of them interwoven through it.
The war itself
The Home front,
Andddd eventually Booth comes in..
THe sense is that it leaves hanging.. To make sure we watch Gettysburg, and that LFM will have to be made... we shall see... Till then..
I cant wait for To Appomattox.JIM
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot really argue against any of your points Jim.

I must have missed O.O. Howard somehow. Is his scene only in the Extended Cut? I've never caught seeing him in either version.

I agree they tried too hard (or at least tried to do too much) and Maxwell even admitted in a long ago interview that they tried to cover too many things.
But in a further defense, I think to really cover Antietam with everything everyone wants, nearly the entire movie probably would have had to center around it. Maybe he could have had a movie called Antietam to go next to Gettysburg. I just don't know that Maxwell could have sold Ted Turner on that idea and I don't know what source material he could have used to write a script from. (Even though there's a bunch of material to pull from.)

I read an old Civil War Times that described the making of Glory and, in part, they mentioned that there was a Dunker Church in the early scenes. If it's in there, I have not seen it and I went out of my way to look for it the last time. I'm wondering if a 25th Anniversary Director's Cut is planned since they surely have more worthwhile footage.
But to tie that back into this film, there's no Dunker Church here either, nor, more importantly, is there a Henry House during the Manassas scenes. They had a Chancellor House. It would have been cool to see the Henry House get all shot up.

BTW, maybe I'm the last to know this, but they used the Slyder Farm as Lee's HQ in the movie Gettysburg. My only guess had been the George Weikert House, which wasn't a bad guess considering the Slyder farm house contains similar stones in it's building materials.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris,
I think my biggest struggle with Antietam was they ignored Jacksons corps involvement in and around the Dunker CHurch. And that was huge to who Jackson was at that point.. And it was pivotal moment.. Hooker also getting wounded seems to be glossed over.. He was knocked out of the war till I think early december.. One of the reasons he didnt get command of the AOP when Little Mc got canned.

I know we can sit here and pick both movies apart, (I have a problem with the whole scene of Lees HQ, as the Railroad Cut was not that far from the house. The other thing, is that the wounded and the carnage of battle would have been so great there is no way there is tent city there by morning on July 2..
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, we can nit-pick the thing to death. I think that sort of thing spoiled the original version of it for me way back when and I don't want to do that again.

That said, they could have added a quick scene where Hooker was dazed thanks to a shell at Chancellorsville.
I did like the scene where JLC was lamenting the piece meal strategy at Fredericksburg with Joseph Hooker following the battle.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone reads the latest Civil War News, you can read my admittedly amateurish "review" in the letters section.

I didn't set out for it to sound amateurish, but that's how it reads to me. Hopefully my main point, to give the film another look, came out at least.

I could have done well to spend more time writing it before hitting "send."
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gang;

On Tuesday this week my lovely wife gave me the special Commemorative Set of the Extended/Director Cuts for Gettysburg and Gods and Generals. I have watched the entire director cut for GAG and let me tell you, while IMHO the Booth subplot could have been left out with no harm at all, the director cut makes a MUCH better movie than the theater release.

In addition to the Booth subplot and the restored Antietam scenes, there are other vignette scenes which really help with the movie... such as how Jackson got "Little Sorrel"... that was not in the theater release IIRC.

My recommendation: BUY the extended director cut, whether the special commemorative set or by itself... it is well worth it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BTW, there were a TON of actors and extras in this film. TONS. I give them credit for "wrangling" all these folks together. It couldn't have been that far off from the epic films of the mid-20th Century.

Now, on to Disc #2...........


Corydon, I was one of the extras in the Antietam scene where Jackson comes riding along the line from left to right....the 10 year wait was worth it!
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I liked the Booth scenes. But you're correct that if you took them out of the film, it changes nothing in regards to the rest of the film. The guy who played Booth did a good job.

I liked his comments about the proposed introduction to Lincoln. And I was hoping he'd make a snide comment when Fanny and JLC met him backstage. I wonder if they really met.
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Hello all. Well, Shannon let it slip that the collectors edition will be under the Christmas tree for a certain someone(Me!) on 25 December, and she said it looks great!
Gerry, I didn't know you were in Gods and Generals. One of my unit mates was in it too. The Chancellorsville flank attack to be exact.

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Gerry.
Saw you in the film as I went back and watched it again to make sure it was you.. LOL! Yep 10 years my friend..

Heck guys if you want to nitpick, for Gettysburg especially since Barksdale was included, it would have been intereting to see how the movie would have portrayed Barksdales attack on the PO and then turning to fight Carrs, Grahams and the Excelsior brigade at the Klingle Farm. But of course that is Monday morning QBing and I cant argue with it. Just thinkning out loud..
CD I read your review.. Nice job bro..
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You know I would have loved to see that Jim!

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Not to hijack the thread, but as one who has studied that whole part of the fight till its spins in my head, it was filled with such fury, intense fighting, and incredible courage both sides.

Besides the 4 New Jersey units that got caught up in that malestrom, the other units even Confed units to be part of that.....

Its one of the reasons why the second book... I am going to try and see if I can put into words the tactical side of that.. Every one btw, speaks of the horrors of the wheatfield or the field of the Charge, but that who scene of the assualt on the PO and then the fight up the Emmitsburg Rd.. With Wilcox and Lang coming in further north... Talk about a meat grinder.

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