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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:19 am    Post subject: Gettysburg (and more) on the History (Channel) Reply with quote

http://www.history.com/shows/gettysburg

Grant and Lee on Tuesday.

Pawn Stars and American Pickers also have special episodes during what they are calling Civil War week.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched the History channels "Gettysburg" and last night and was impressed with the battle scenes. Their facts were off and I don't beleive Gary Adelman was at this best.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually disappointed.

No mention of Hancock. I don't think anyone uttered Longstreet's name.
They covered the 6th Wisconsin, but there was no mention of Buford.

Little Round Top? What's that? You wouldn't have learned thru this program.

A program can't be all things to all people and I never expect a mention of East Cavalry Battlefield, but how do you basically leave out LRT? Maybe I fell asleep during that portion.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would to know when and where the battle scenes were filmed. Excellent uniforms and location.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the uniforms looked good and the tone of the film did, but I have to disagree about the location, expecially for Pickett's Charge. I don't recall any Devil's Dens scenes either.
For Pickett's Charge, there were no fences and I didn't get the impression of a wide open, slowly rising elevation. The location wouldn't bother me as much without all my other complaints.

And I'm not sure why they had to introduce every single Confederate as a slave owner.
Let's say every Union guy in the film was divorced. Would it advance the story to tell us that? The only intriguing part was to highlight the only Union officer who was also a slave owner.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my take on it:

http://civilwarcavalry.com/?p=2654
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well political correctness was apparently a motivating factor in the spot light on slave owners.


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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno,.........maybe I am just a crabby old bastard, but yet again I was disappointed by the presentation despite some unusually ethereal battle scenes which of course you would expect from a guy who can put Alien together.

To their credit, most of the reenactors I saw did not look as if they just had six meals at The Avenue and the blowing smoke and diffused lighting was a nice touch. I didnt miss St Joshua at all.....and I thought it was novel to use a guy like Joe Davis as a character. The troops, all thirty of them, looked very dirty too, which of course I approve of.

My main problem is one of context......of which this presentation had almost zero. I really had no idea why anyone was fighting anyone, where they were coming from or where they were going, or what they hoped to gain in relation to anything larger than my field of view. A smokey, ethereal mess filled with more realistic casualties than we are used to seeing is a step in the right direction, but without any context, it just seemed like a jumbled hodge podge of images......which, under better supervision, could go a long way towards imparting some of the chaos of battle, but in this case, to my eyes anyway, it failed.

The historical lapses were really bad though......by far the worst of this productions many sins. Again, it is not as if we are keeping Secret Knowledge of the Templars here, everything they screwed up could have been easily fixed had they actually consulted somebody on the script who knew his shit sideways.

For the Gettysburg Newbie, maybe this thing will spark some interest.......but as always after I watch these things, I get the feeling that for all the money spent on such a show, with a modicum of attention to detail, it could have been so much better.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One glaring screw up was in telling Dan Sickles background they said he raised a regiment to get his foot in the door at the begining of the war. Of course it was Excellsior brigade of five regiments. Also on the morning of the 2nd of July 2nd Stuart wasn't 12 miles South of the battlefield gathering supplies. As Rick said a little input from someone with knowledge of the battle would have added greatly to the movie.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since they spotlighted Sickles, couldn't they at least have shown him cooly smoking a cigar when being taken off the field?
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric, spot on. I made it through the first day. My thoughts: (1) as they were depicting columns moving towards the battlefield it appeared more like a plateau in the high Rockies rather than anything you would find in Pennsylvania farm country; (2) the only action on McPherson's Ridge involved the 6th Wisconsin? I know Dawes, to some degree, made that argument with respect to the railroad cut, but really?; (3) I was happy to see coverage of the 11th Corps (even if it came at the expense of the 20th Maine ) and they even had stacks of bricks laying around for Humiston and the 154th New York, but unless you are intimately familiar with the battle, the average viewer would have no idea why; (4) at one point, the narrator said that Humiston was charged with covering the 11th Corps' retreat. Really? He, personally, was charged with that task? Maybe Coster's brigade, but the film left the impression that Humiston was personally responsible which was bolstered by his action hero like depiction (is there any historical evidence showing that Humiston was anything more than one of the thousands of other soldiers trying to make it back through town when he was shot?)

That's not to say that the film did not have some positives. The reenactors were gaunt and dirty and under 50. Unlike Gettysburg "The Movie" and other films of the genre, there was the realism of gory bullet wounds and split heads without the eloquent last words of a dying sergeant surrounded by his entire regiment. Unfortunately, at least for me, it was not enough to overcome the flaws.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the experts were consulted for this and then their input was later dismissed because their info didn't make the presentation "Hollywood" enough.

I guess they think everyone who watches TV/movies is not very bright, doesn't want to learn anything, and doesn't care about historical accuracy.

The only thing positive I would add is that I'll probably do some research on Rufus Dawes. He's not exactly been on my radar.

Maybe we'll have better luck tonight with the Lee and Grant episode.
At this point, Pawn Stars has been the most entertaining thing on History.
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Being a horse owner I noticed that many, Barksdale in particular, were riding draft horses. Probably happened but certainly not the choice mount.

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any artillery experts out there?

Don't real life cannons ALWAYS recoil, even just a bit? I guess it might depend on what they are firing.

In the show, sometimes the cannons recoiled big time and other times they didn't move an inch.

(Not a nit-pick, just something I noticed.)
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corydon, you are not losing your mind.

A 12lb Nap with a standard load (forget double cannister and such) would likely recoil between six and ten feet........a rifled piece such as a Parrott or a 3" only slightly less........easily a few feet and NEVER the 1 to 4 inches that seem to be standard in TV productions.

Guns, real ones.......will actually sometimes 'skip' backwards violently when fired.........not this gentle little roll we see so often.

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