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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't mind if cannon on film recoil a little less than they are supposed to. (How do they get them to recoil much without live ordnance anyway?)
But it's distracting if there is no recoil whatsoever since even a little musket has some "jump" to it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, they get them to move by putting gunpowder in them.

Not a real standard charge of course, plus you have nothing blocking the muzzle really in place of a shell, so it's less noise, less recoil, less explosion really.

It might be a little deal, but that kind of horseshit pisses me off to no end. I hate recoil-less cannons ALMOST as much as I hate bird-hunting infantryman.......it looks friggin ridiculous. I remember when you could aim at the other guy........but these days, everyone has to shoot pigeons and utterly wreck what little of the spectacle that was realistic anyway. When they show infantry aiming at the sky I want to hurl
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh, they get them to move by putting gunpowder in them.

Not a real standard charge of course, plus you have nothing blocking the muzzle really in place of a shell, so it's less noise, less recoil, less explosion really.

It might be a little deal, but that kind of horseshit pisses me off to no end. I hate recoil-less cannons ALMOST as much as I hate bird-hunting infantryman.......it looks friggin ridiculous. I remember when you could aim at the other guy........but these days, everyone has to shoot pigeons and utterly wreck what little of the spectacle that was realistic anyway. When they show infantry aiming at the sky I want to hurl
heavy objects at my television.

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Shooting clouds is why I have pretty much ended my reenacting carreer. Dip shits a hundred yards apart aiming straight up. People would tour our camp later and ask why we did that. No good reason, I uses to tell them we were coon hunting.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My expectations were low.

Rufus, slavery and Barton in the first 600 seconds?

Really?

I, too, was disappointed in Adelman. Maybe he's bucking for McPherson's title of establishment d-bag someday.

Sad.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello....

" Expect nothing and you won't be dissapointed "

I don't think in my lifetime anyone will do this battle justice on film.
I agree with everyone that thought this show was crap. I believe that
most of us in here can close our eyes and imagine the events of that
battle frim every spot of that battlefield. Too bad nobody with vision or
money can do the same on film. Also ... the references to the bloodiest
battle???? Guess they don't know about Antietam.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched it last night (Tue) since I was traveling home Mon nite from Tn. I went into the program hoping it wouldn't be as bad as the comments I read through the day. After all, I guided through Ken Burns, the filming and release of Gettysburg and G&G, so I saw first-hand the trade off between historical inaccuracy and the interest those productions generated. I don't get hung up on details with uniforms and ordinance like many do; heck, I don't even get heartburn over minor factual inaccuracies though they can be irritating. You can't help but think geez, just open a book and you wouldn't get that wrong.

HOWEVER...this truly had to be the worst, most mis-guided attempt to tell the story of Gettysburg I've ever come across. I was expecting (hoping?) to be able to say many of the comments I read were nit-picking, and in a way they were considering the number of big issues. How do you present the story of a battle that involves 10 corps and only mention 3 corps commanders in 2 hrs, and one of them (Longstreet) in only a passing reference and that so out of context there's no way for someone not familiar with the battle to even know he was there! HOW do you present a regimental commander as a main character in a story involving 160,000 men without even an attempt to place the number of men under his command in context? HOW are you supposed to explain to someone seeing this that no, it isn't a sergeant's responsibility to conduct a holding action for two divisions. HOW are you supposed to stand with someone at the Angle and explain where did the heavily wooded mountain go? HOW are you supposed to then stand at the same spot and explain actually they were coming across in straight lines, shoulder to shoulder, not a charging mob strung out across the entire field! If you want to bring slavery into the story okay, I get that, but HOW are you then supposed to explain to someone the courage of the thousands of men who actually did serve as litter bearers and hospital stewards?

Disappointed isn't a strong enough word. Normally I try to be positive about any attempt to tell the story of the men who fought and died on those fields, but I'm really struggling to find any redeeming qualities this time.

BTW, did anyone else wonder why Long Sol Merideth was in a Confederate uniform and what the !$#? he was doing on a plow horse? Oh yeah, he morphed into Barksdale somehow.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

".....not a charging mob spread over the entire field!"

Keith, I couldnt agree more. That massive bonzai charge was just as disorganized as the production.

I think Tim Smith said it best when he said that the whole thing just lacked any context at all.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the film we got, they should have just done something similar to Civil War Combat: Focus on one key aspect of the battle...and frame it within the context of the battle (and perhaps the war) as a whole.

This program failed on so many levels.

Lee and Grant was much better....although I was so tired I fell asleep at many intervals throughout. But, did they actually NOT cover battles when Lee and Grant went head to head or did I miss more than I think I did?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the Geico CW reenactment commercial was pretty good.

One more thing, I'm not big on the overuse of slow motion in film and this program was heavy with it. The close ups made the Confederates look like rabid psychopaths. The only thing missing was white foam coming out at the mouth.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry and Rick;
I still aim at the enemy when in battle, I just aim a hair over their heads. No one in the crowd could ever possibly tell. When they get too close for my comfort, I take a hit and writhe around for a while. Looks better than firing in the air in my books...

Regards, Mitch.

P.S. I haven't seen this show, and it sounds like I should be glad.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shooting clouds is why I have pretty much ended my reenacting carreer. Dip shits a hundred yards apart aiming straight up. People would tour our camp later and ask why we did that. No good reason, I uses to tell them we were coon hunting.



I assume they aim higher as a safety precaution...in case something got into the barrel of the gun and they don't want it to get fired into someone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello....

Perhaps in my lifetime somebodywill actually make a great film about
my favorite 2 battles... Trafalgar...Waterloo and Gettysburg. Not very
likely though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corydon you are correct.

Back in the heyday of reenacting, (of which I was lucky to be a part).....you could have 20,000 or more reenactors at a large event. Cool as that was, it usually lead to all kinds of logistical problems.....one of which was safety.

I remember some idiot shooting a tompion through a drummers boys drum at some event...........nobody was hurt, but God did that cause a stink. Then at the 135th Gettysburg when some cat got shot in the throat for real.............things got crazy tight.

The guy who got shot through the throat lived. Many of the heart attack victims I witnessed probably did not.........and over the years I probably saw seven or eight of them.

The moral of this story: Fat men should not run around in Wool in July, no matter where they aim their rifles.

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OK... THere was something good that came out of this mess.. It made me pull down my copy of PFanz on CH and ECH and do some research.. After 30 minutes, I found what I wanted. Re Wallace and then Dawes. Since they took Wallace completely out of contxt (Wallaces regiment according to Pfanz fires a couple of volleys and then fads back into the night), and then Dawes doest get involved in a night action, his boys along with several others retake the trenchs on JULY 3..
I dont mind taking some liberties, but these are two primary examples of why this thing was a disaster. And please PLEASE dont get me started on Barksdale...
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Barksdale. Barksdale. Barksdale......

Did you know he was pro-slavery? Thanks to this program, I got to learn that little tidbit.
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