Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: Abe Trostles home and barn question......
I was studying two pictures lastnight of the Trostle farm, and came away with a few more questions than answers afterwards. IIRC Garner took the pictures. 1) of the of the home. Everyone knows the picture I'm talking about. Many dead horses from the 9th Mass Art. IIRC all around the house. 2) The barn, showing the side with the cannonball hole in it by the diamonds that still remains there today. It too had dead horses from the same Art. unit all about the property.
My main question is, was there some form of dirt lane/road that ran between these two structures? (not from one to the other, but one that cut thru the property) Maybe a dirt drive leading from the raod to the house and barn? It's very difficult for me to decifer what I'm looking at, but it appears there "may" be a some form of dirt path that is fenced on both sides. Please help me out here, what am I seeing?
Sorry for the stupid question, I reckon I could have taken one of my maps out and taken a look, but that's no fun! _________________ Best Regards,
WBJ
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject:
Bill - my copies of the said pictures are rather small. In addition, there seems to be a good amount of water (remember - it did rain after the battle) and some of these rivulets can easily be mistaken for a road\walkway. That said, IMHO there IS some kind of a dirt path that you speak of.
BTW, my Root Map does NOT show anything of the type, but then - I honestly didn't think the maps would show you what can be considered 'an inner property way' _________________ I Remain
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Allan
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:50 am Post subject:
Bill,
There was a lane that ran between the house and the farm during the battle. A good description of the Trostle Farm Lane is in Pfanz's book on Day 2, which I just read recently.
Not sure if you have the book, but check out Chapter 14, as it is described there. Note in the back of the book also tells how it was changed due to the making of United States Avenue for the drive thru the park.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:24 am Post subject:
Hi Bill.
Steve is refering to Trostles Lane proper, which of course we all know was
there before it was moved.
What I am trying to figure out is are YOU talking about the Lane itself, or more like what Allan was saying, "interior" lanes within the property between the house and barn? Which direction would you say these lanes are running? N/S?
I tend to agree with Allan that there must have been more commonly used routes within the farm (maybe not fenced or given the term of lanes, but places where by common sense, wagons and things were moved between areas of the farm.)
I'd also agree that most maps wouldnt show anything so small, but I'd like to look at my maps before I cpmmit to saying that officially.
Regards,
Rick _________________ " Do you like French fries, Wyatt Earp?"
Guys,
Thanks for the rsponses. And let me shed a little more light on what I'm seeing. First, I gave undue credit to Garner. I now see the credit for the two photographs I'm looking at should actually go to O'Sullivan.
Base, yes I have Day II, and I guess I need to do some rereading myself. Rick, and Allen, I'm not sure what I'm asking really other than it appears to be some form of dirt path. I would guess it could be nothing more than a path the Trostles themselves had used numerous times around the farm that is on their private property for their use only. I see from all the maps I have glanced at, that both home and barn are shown to be on the same side of the road (N), so that helps me some I guess.
I think what has thrown me off more than anything is the monument to the 9th Mass. being in both modern photos of said buildings. Yet, only the picture of the barn shows what looks like a road right in front of the monument. (where is the white rabbit emoticon when I need it!) _________________ Best Regards,
WBJ
Joined: Mar 04, 2004 Posts: 4926 Location: Suburb of Philadelphia
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject:
William wrote:
I think what has thrown me off more than anything is the monument to the 9th Mass
Why, Bill - here is a definite reason for you to get your Jaw-jan butt up North and finally show your mug in 'Burg. We all know not to pay no mind to the pesky monuments. They have tendencies to confuse the minds and to cause car accidents by jumping onto the roads right in front of poor unsuspected tourists
As for the White Rabbit - in keeping with the modern PC times, he's been replaced by Juan here
(Of course you're more than welcome to go and ask Alice ) _________________ I Remain
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Allan
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:
Now Genl you are REALLLLLLY beginning to worry me!
Next thing you know Grace SLick will be singing in here.
Geezz..
Jim _________________ "The Flag, THE FLAG, Oh THE FLAG! G.K. Warrens last words on his death bed, August 8,1882
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject:
One of the bad things about GB, is the fact that most of the monuments were placed some 20 to 30 years after the battle.
And as we all know time does dim memories.
THe 9th Mass, if I understand is not the only one that there is doubt about.
Jim _________________ "The Flag, THE FLAG, Oh THE FLAG! G.K. Warrens last words on his death bed, August 8,1882
There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell. W.T. Sherman
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject:
RickAllen wrote:
Hi Bill.
Steve is refering to Trostles Lane proper, which of course we all know was
there before it was moved.
What I am trying to figure out is are YOU talking about the Lane itself, or more like what Allan was saying, "interior" lanes within the property between the house and barn? Which direction would you say these lanes are running? N/S?
I tend to agree with Allan that there must have been more commonly used routes within the farm (maybe not fenced or given the term of lanes, but places where by common sense, wagons and things were moved between areas of the farm.)
I'd also agree that most maps wouldnt show anything so small, but I'd like to look at my maps before I cpmmit to saying that officially.
Regards,
Rick
Rick,
The lane I was describing is one that ran North/South between the Barn and the house...according to Harry Pfanz. To me, it sounds like it became a dirt path as it was used all the time by the family, as you and the General have already posted.
Base,
Nail/Head,...thanks. I guess I really do need to take Day II out and reread that chapter. Your description sounds like you are talking about the EXACT same thing I am seeing. I just didn't know if it was private property, or a public traveled road.
Thanks. _________________ Best Regards,
WBJ
Joined: Feb 13, 2004 Posts: 290 Location: York County, PA
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject:
William,
Living in this region and driving around a lot on weekends exploring the area, I note that a lot of old farms do indeed have paths running from the actual farm lane or road directly to the barn. I would agree in the photo that this is one of those pathways.
Scott Mingus _________________ "Leadership is the art of accomplishing more than the science of management says is possible"
As one Ranger pointed out during a FNPG tour several years ago, the farms on the battlefield tend to be neater and less cluttered with outbuildings and other features of an active 19th century farmyard than they would have been at the time of the battle. Even when the surrounding fields are farmed, the house and barn areas tend to be a lot tidier and more "residential" looking than they would have appeared during the battle.
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other than it appears to be some form of dirt path. I would guess it could be nothing more than a path the Trostles themselves had used numerous times around the farm that is on their private property for their use only. I see from all the maps I have glanced at, that both home and barn are shown to be on the same side of the road (N), so that helps me some I guess.
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